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Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

I am having an issue with Snap Drive for Unix 4.1.1 and creating a FlexClone volume off a snapshot so that we can backup up that volume.

I have two parent volumes, on one each filer head. The vol options are such:

napp1> vol options xdb3vol0
nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=off, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=on,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=167690, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, compression=off, guarantee=volume, svo_enable=off,
svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off, svo_reject_errors=off,
no_i2p=off, fractional_reserve=0, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow,
read_realloc=off, snapshot_clone_dependency=off
napp1>

A snap was created yesterday:

Filesystem               total       used      avail capacity  Mounted on
/vol/xdb3vol0/          1850GB     1754GB       96GB      95%  /vol/xdb3vol0/
/vol/xdb3vol0/.snapshot      462GB       63GB      399GB      14%  /vol/xdb3vol0/.snapshot

But when the AIX admin tries to connect to the snapshot and create a flexclone volume we get the following error:

Sun May  2 15:14:06 CDT [napp1:  wafl.volume.clone.fractional_rsrv.changed:info]: Fractional reservation for  clone 'Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot' was changed  to 100 percent because guarantee is set to  'file' or 'none'.

Sun May  2 15:14:11 CDT [napp1:  wafl.volume.clone.created:info]: Volume clone  Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot of volume xdb3vol0  was created successfully.

Creation of clone volume  'Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot' has  completed.

Sun May  2 15:14:11 CDT [napp1:  lun.newLocation.offline:warning]: LUN  /vol/Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot/lun13 has been  taken offline to prevent map conflicts after a copy or move  operation.

Sun May  2 15:14:11 CDT [napp1:  lun.newLocation.offline:warning]: LUN  /vol/Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot/lun12 has been  taken offline to prevent map conflicts after a copy or move  operation.

Sun May  2 15:14:11 CDT [napp1:  lun.newLocation.offline:warning]: LUN  /vol/Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot/lun11 has been  taken offline to prevent map conflicts after a copy or move  operation.

Sun May  2 15:14:11 CDT [napp1:  lun.newLocation.offline:warning]: LUN  /vol/Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot/lun10 has been  taken offline to prevent map conflicts after a copy or move  operation.

Sun May  2 15:14:11 CDT [napp1:  lun.newLocation.offline:warning]: LUN  /vol/Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot/lun15 has been  taken offline to prevent map conflicts after a copy or move  operation.

Sun May  2 15:14:11 CDT [napp1:  lun.newLocation.offline:warning]: LUN  /vol/Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot/lun16 has been  taken offline to prevent map conflicts after a copy or move  operation.

Sun May  2 15:14:11 CDT [napp1:  lun.newLocation.offline:warning]: LUN  /vol/Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot/lun14 has been  taken offline to prevent map conflicts after a copy or move  operation.

Sun May  2 15:14:19 CDT [napp1:  wafl.vol.autoSize.done:info]: Automatic increase size of volume  'Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot' by 70464308 kbytes  done.

Sun May  2 15:14:31 CDT [napp1:  wafl.vol.autoSize.fail:info]: Unable to grow  volume 'Snapdrive_xdb3vol0_volume_clone_from_snap_vgmfgdss_snapshot' to recover  space: Volume cannot be grown beyond maximum growth  limit

If this a flexclone that is backed by a snapshot, then shouldn't it utilize the snapshot for any deltas? What changes do I need to make to the parent volume.

What is the point of having snapshot and flxeclone if I have to have 100% of the space reserved for it? If, for some unforseen reason, more than 20% of data were to change, I wouldn't mind the snap and flexclone being auto deleted as long as the parent volume and it's LUNs stay online. It would seem to be an inefficient use of resources if I have to have 100% fractional reserve.

Re: Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

I am still having the issue:

05/07/10 10:20:17  STATUS:INFORM  ERRCODE:999 connect_snap:  Snap connect  started.

connecting  vgksdss:

        connecting lun  napp1:/vol/virtual1sd1/lun1

                 creating unrestricted volume clone napp1:/vol/Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot ...  success

        connecting lun  napp2:/vol/virtual1sd2/lun2

                 creating unrestricted volume clone napp2:/vol/Snapdrive_virtual1sd2_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot ...  success

        mapping new  lun(s) ... done

        discovering new  lun(s) ... done

        Importing  vgksdssbc

Successfully connected  to snapshot napp1:/vol/virtual1sd1:snap_vgksdss

        disk group  vgksdssbc containing host volumes

                 bclvksdss_log

                 bclvksdss_fs (filesystem: /bc/FS1)

0002-245 Command error:  cannot write Flexclone metadata to  napp1:/vol/Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot storage  system volume.

05/07/10 10:22:52  STATUS:ERROR  ERRCODE:32 connect_snap: snapdrive connect failed with return code  18.

from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot' was changed to 100 percent because guarantee is set to 'file' or 'none'.
Fri May  7 10:22:51 CDT [napp2: wafl.volume.clone.created:info]: Volume clone Snapdrive_virtual1sd2_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot of volume virtual1sd2 was created successfully.
Creation of clone volume 'Snapdrive_virtual1sd2_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot' has completed.
Fri May  7 10:22:51 CDT [napp2: wafl.vol.full:notice]: file system on volume Snapdrive_virtual1sd2_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot is full
Fri May  7 10:22:51 CDT [napp2: lun.newLocation.offline:warning]: LUN /vol/Snapdrive_virtual1sd2_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot/lun2 has been taken offline to prevent map conflicts after a copy or move operation.
Fri May  7 10:23:04 CDT [napp2: lun.map:info]: LUN /vol/Snapdrive_virtual1sd2_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot/lun2 was mapped to initiator group xvirt1=4
Fri May  7 10:23:08 CDT [napp2: wafl.vol.full:notice]: file system on volume Snapdrive_virtual1sd2_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot is full

Re: Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

Hi,

Have you got vol autosize on source volume? Also, what is your snap reserve?

As a non-intrsuive test set snap reserve to ZERO, try again. Set it back to what it was before after the test.

Eric

Re: Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

Yes. I set vol autosize on source volume, and I have turned it off in a "test" environment. I have tried with snap reserve set to 0 and same result. snap reserve at 0 and fractional reserve at 20 and same result. Not sure what I am missing here. There is no clear guide as to what I should have set for this to work, other than what appears to be trial and error. I don't like trial and error very much as it gives the illusion I don't know what I am doing. Which might be true in this case, but it isn't for lack of ingesting hundreds of postings, various TR readings and endless google searches plus a case open for over a week with IBM on the issue. They seem less knowledgeable than I in this circumstance.

Now, I have been able to get it work unreliably and still with errors on the filer side,  but luckily with no fault to the source volume by setting the snap reserve to 0, fractional reserve to 20 and throwing a couple hundred more GBs at the volume. This has let me get the required blocks off to tape before we destroy the flexclone volume and delete the snapshot.

When the snapshot has been taken and the flexclone active, I go from close to 700GB free in each volume (1.7TB used volumes) to about 300GB free. Where did the 400GB go? It seems like I am requiring a lot more space to make these operations successful. If that is the case, so be it, we need it to work but it wasn't the behavior we were expecting.

Now, if we had been told that to make FlexClone's work we would need 220GB volume for 100GB LUN (like some articles suggest) then I would have asked long ago what is the value in the NetApp over say a similar Tier2 array that has snap reserve pools? Instead we are told that FlexClones are thin provisioned and require no additional space other than the snapshot that keeps track of all changes between the current state of the AFS and the time the FlexClone was generated off the backing snapshot. Now I agree that things can get hairy pretty quickly if we were then going to the FlexClone and making adjustments to it.

Re: Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

What an interesting example of bad interaction of different features I guess NetApp will have to eventually provide explicit autosize control during FlexClone creation just like the one for volume guarantees.

Now my question - does it actually make clone connect to fail or is it just cosmetic issue? Because testing it (without SD involved) I can reproduce this behaviour, but clone is created, I can online LUN and clone actually does not consume any space in aggregate (even though it seems to):

Mon May 10 18:09:46 MSD [wafl.vol.autoSize.fail:info]: Unable to grow volume 'test1_clone1' to recover space: Volume cannot be grown beyond maximum growth limit

simsim*> lun show
        /vol/test1/lun1               70m (73400320)      (r/w, online)
        /vol/test1_clone1/lun1        70m (73400320)      (r/w, online)
simsim*> df -r
Filesystem              kbytes       used      avail   reserved  Mounted on
/vol/test1/             102400      72028      30372          0  /vol/test1/
/vol/test1/.snapshot          0         40          0          0  /vol/test1/.snapshot
/vol/test1_clone1/      122880     122880          0    (71832) /vol/test1_clone1/
/vol/test1_clone1/.snapshot          0         52          0          0  /vol/test1_clone1/.snapshot

simsim*> aggr show_space aggr0
Aggregate 'aggr0'

    Total space    WAFL reserve    Snap reserve    Usable space       BSR NVLOG           A-SIS
      1024000KB        102400KB         46080KB        875520KB             0KB             0KB

Space allocated to volumes in the aggregate

Volume                          Allocated            Used       Guarantee
test1                            103156KB         72492KB          volume
test1_clone1                       1236KB           408KB            none



Also notice, that this issue happens only if you create non-space reserved clone. If your clone is space reserved, fractional_reserve is not forced to 100. You do need extra space in agregate though:

test1                            103156KB         72736KB          volume
test1_clone1                      31168KB           160KB          volume

The space you will need is exactly free space in parent volume, which is somehow logical

Oh, and BTW answering your question:

When the snapshot has been taken and the flexclone active, I go from close to 700GB free in each volume (1.7TB used volumes) to about 300GB free. Where did the 400GB go?


They have been reserved by virtue of fractional_reserve being set to 100. In my example above you see that it tries to reserve 70M contained in base snapshot. It fails to do it, but because clone space guarantee is "none", NetApp ignores this error and let me continue.

Re: Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

We have a source volume with following options:

napp1> vol options virtual1sd1
nosnap=off, nosnapdir=off, minra=off, no_atime_update=off, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=on,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=167690, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, compression=off, guarantee=volume, svo_enable=off,
svo_checksum=off, svo_allow_rman=off, svo_reject_errors=off,
no_i2p=off, fractional_reserve=5, extent=off, try_first=volume_grow,
read_realloc=off, snapshot_clone_dependency=off
napp1>

napp1> df -Vh virtual1sd1
Filesystem               total       used      avail capacity  Mounted on
/vol/virtual1sd1/         15GB       10GB     4583MB      70%  /vol/virtual1sd1/
/vol/virtual1sd1/.snapshot        0KB      720KB        0KB     ---%  /vol/virtual1sd1/.snapshot
napp1>

napp1> snap list virtual1sd1
Volume virtual1sd1
working...

  %/used       %/total  date          name
----------  ----------  ------------  --------
  0% ( 0%)    0% ( 0%)  May 10 13:13  snap_vgksdss   (busy,vclone)
napp1>

After snap created and connected following occurs:

Mon May 10 13:15:47 CDT [napp1: wafl.volume.clone.fractional_rsrv.changed:info]: Fractional reservation for clone 'Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot' was changed to 100 percent because guarantee is set to 'file' or 'none'.

Mon May 10 13:15:51 CDT [napp1: wafl.volume.clone.created:info]: Volume clone Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot of volume virtual1sd1 was created successfully.

Creation of clone volume 'Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot' has completed.

Mon May 10 13:15:51 CDT [napp1: wafl.vol.full:notice]: file system on volume Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot is full

Mon May 10 13:15:51 CDT [napp1: lun.newLocation.offline:warning]: LUN /vol/Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot/lun1 has been taken offline to prevent map conflicts after a copy or move operation.

Mon May 10 13:16:19 CDT [napp1: lun.map:info]: LUN /vol/Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot/lun1 was mapped to initiator group xvirt1=3

Mon May 10 13:16:23 CDT [napp1: wafl.vol.full:notice]: file system on volume Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot is full

Now, if I had vol autosize on the source volume, I would be spammed with vol autosize failure. If I had snap autodelete on the parent I would see that the containing snapshot would be deleted after flexclone volume creation. I have tried fractional_reserve at 0 and at 20 with same result. Initially my volume was 10.1GB and the containing lun 10GB. It is a space reserved LUN because I want to guarantee writes and not have it go offline (this happened earlier in our migration and I was not too happy about it).

So now on my test volume I have 50% free space in the volume and I am having errors from SnapDrive reporting a metadata write error. SnapDrive then strands the clone and can no longer interact with it. It requires Storage Admin to go in and unmap the devices and destroy the flexclone volume and delete the snapshots. The storage commands from Snap Drive also incorrectly report the status of the flexclone volume, making it appear to be split from the backing snapshot, even though I see differently at the filer level.

Re: Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

Please, show

df -A for aggregate containing virtual1sd1

aggr show_space for aggregate containing virtual1sd1

vol options Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot

df -r Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot

df -h Snapdrive_virtual1sd1_volume_clone_from_snap_vgksdss_snapshot

Re: Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

I bumped into the same issue today, an AIX install too, 5% FR and 20%SR

flexclone would fail with the same writing metadata error.

In this case the flexvols were full, 100% utilized as the customer had created LUNs of the same size of the flexvol and had intended to use the 20%SR for the snapshots. But reducing the SR to 0% to free space didn't help as the same SDU operation would fail during the metadata write operation.

Quick fix was to modify snapdrive.conf to create a lunclone instead of a flexclone.

For this customer it wouldn't make any difference as they plan to refresh the luns (SMO clone) every night.

may have to create a burt for that SDU behavior, SDU shouldn't be touching the %FR values unless we tell it to,

Re: Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

I don't think the issue here is directly related to Snapdrive and it's interaction with Flexclones. This seems to be a fundamental change in the way Flexclones, and their reserves (volume, fractional, snap) behave with Ontap >= 7.2.6.1. Here is my example of the problem. Note the 'volume' guarantee, and fractional reserve set to 'zero' on the source volume.

egna10a> df -A egna10a_aggr01

Aggregate               kbytes       used      avail capacity

egna10a_aggr01      10154150324 6355373044 3798777280      63%

egna10a_aggr01/.snapshot          0          0          0     ---%

egna10a> df -g egna10a_vol001

Filesystem               total       used      avail capacity  Mounted on

/vol/egna10a_vol001/     5500GB     4640GB      859GB      84%  /vol/egna10a_vol001/

snap reserve               0GB       19GB        0GB     ---%  /vol/egna10a_vol001/..

egna10a> vol options egna10a_vol001
nosnap=on, nosnapdir=on, minra=off, no_atime_update=off, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=on,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=167690, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, guarantee=volume, svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off,
svo_allow_rman=off, svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off,
fractional_reserve=0, extent=off, try_first=snap_delete
Now, I want to create a Flexclone volume and 'thin provision' it as to not take up 2 x's the space.
egna10a> vol clone create CLONE_egna10a_vol001 -s none -b egna10a_vol001 test_snap
Tue Jun  8 12:32:49 PDT [egna10a: wafl.volume.clone.fractional_rsrv.changed:info]: Fractional reservation for clone 'CLONE_egna10a_vol001' was changed to 100 percent because guarantee is set to 'file' or 'none'.
Tue Jun  8 12:33:07 PDT [egna10a: wafl.snaprestore.revert:notice]: Reverting volume CLONE_egna10a_vol001 to a previous snapshot.
Tue Jun  8 12:33:08 PDT [egna10a: wafl.volume.clone.created:info]: Volume clone CLONE_egna10a_vol001 of volume egna10a_vol001 was created successfully.
Tue Jun  8 12:33:23 PDT [egna10a: wafl.volume.snap.autoDelete:info]: Deleting snapshot 'test_snap' in volume 'CLONE_egna10a_vol001' to recover storage
egna10a> vol options CLONE_egna10a_vol001
nosnap=on, nosnapdir=on, minra=off, no_atime_update=off, nvfail=off,
ignore_inconsistent=off, snapmirrored=off, create_ucode=on,
convert_ucode=off, maxdirsize=167690, schedsnapname=ordinal,
fs_size_fixed=off, guarantee=none, svo_enable=off, svo_checksum=off,
svo_allow_rman=off, svo_reject_errors=off, no_i2p=off,
fractional_reserve=100, extent=off, try_first=snap_delete
Before the clone snapshot is automatically deleted the utilization on the clone is @ 100% and triggers critical snmp traps.

This does NOT happen with Ontap 7.2.5.1. The cloned volume takes on ALL the source volumes attributes including the fractional reserve.

So it seems now the only real way to thin provision with Netapp is to set the volume guarantee on the source to 'none'. No way!

Re: Fractional Reserve on FlexClone

Hi Greg,

You said: "

So it seems now the only real way to thin provision with Netapp is to  set the volume guarantee on the source to 'none'. No way!"

No way? Why not? We do it here, theres no problems with this as long as its done properly and managed a bit. We ve claimed back

20TB in our non-prod. env. doing this. thats $$$$$$ mate.

Eric