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    <title>topic Re: Primary Snapshot Retention when using External_Snapshots in Data Protection</title>
    <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Primary-Snapshot-Retention-when-using-External-Snapshots/m-p/22329#M798</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;Thanks John Spinks &lt;SPAN __jive_emoticon_name="happy" __jive_macro_name="emoticon" class="jive_macro jive_emote" src="https://community.netapp.com/5.0.1/images/emoticons/happy.gif"&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;I have taken your advice using Snapshot create command (&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;EM style="color: red;"&gt;without External_snap&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;) and Snap Creator is now handling the primary retention policy. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;Also, realized that I don’t require using external snapshot in this case as SnapDrive created snapshot integrates with Protection Manager dataset using SCF anyway.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;########## &lt;SPAN style="background: yellow;"&gt;Checking Protection Manager dataset mm-dfm&lt;/SPAN&gt; ##########&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:47:26,916] DEBUG: &amp;lt;dataset-modify&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;edit-lock-id&amp;gt;1392800517&amp;lt;/edit-lock-id&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;dataset-name&amp;gt;mm-dfm&amp;lt;/dataset-name&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;is-application-data&amp;gt;true&amp;lt;/is-application-data&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;application-info&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-left: 36.0pt; text-indent: 36.0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #00b0f0;"&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;EM&gt;is-application-managing-primary-backup-retention&amp;gt;&lt;SPAN style="background: yellow;"&gt;true&lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;lt;/is-application-managing-primary-backup-retention&amp;gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;/application-info&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;&amp;lt;/dataset-modify&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;########## &lt;SPAN style="background: yellow;"&gt;Running Snapshot copy Delete on Primary&lt;/SPAN&gt; ##########&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:50:40,465] INFO: STORAGE-02013: Removing Snapshot copy [backup-daily_20140401120349] on volume [testvol]&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:50:40,465] DEBUG: &amp;lt;snapshot-delete&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;snapshot&amp;gt;backup-daily_20140401120349&amp;lt;/snapshot&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;volume&amp;gt;testvol&amp;lt;/volume&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;&amp;lt;/snapshot-delete&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:50:40,465] INFO: STORAGE-02014: Removing Snapshot copy [backup-daily_20140401120349] on volume [testvol] finished successfully.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:50:40,470] INFO: Application not defined. Skipping cleanup task&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 02:54:52 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>mmodi</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2014-04-01T02:54:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Primary Snapshot Retention when using External_Snapshots</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Primary-Snapshot-Retention-when-using-External-Snapshots/m-p/22325#M797</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;I was proposing the use of Snap Creator to centrally trigger SnapDrive backups on all hosts and was hoping to get some help with managing retention on primary -&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL style="list-style-type: disc;"&gt;&lt;LI&gt;When using External Snapshots it seems like Snap Creator does not manage retention (neither primary nor secondary)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Protection Manager on the other hand understands the backup version on primary but only manages retention on Secondary i.e. Backup node.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;If neither SCF nor OCUM is managing primary retention, am I looking at a custom script for SnapDrive based retention?&lt;UL style="list-style-type: circle;"&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Obviously, the use case is typically managed by a SnapManager but in this case we are leveraging SnapDrive directly.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 05:39:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Primary-Snapshot-Retention-when-using-External-Snapshots/m-p/22325#M797</guid>
      <dc:creator>mmodi</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-06-05T05:39:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Primary Snapshot Retention when using External_Snapshots</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Primary-Snapshot-Retention-when-using-External-Snapshots/m-p/22329#M798</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;Thanks John Spinks &lt;SPAN __jive_emoticon_name="happy" __jive_macro_name="emoticon" class="jive_macro jive_emote" src="https://community.netapp.com/5.0.1/images/emoticons/happy.gif"&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;I have taken your advice using Snapshot create command (&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;EM style="color: red;"&gt;without External_snap&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;) and Snap Creator is now handling the primary retention policy. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;Also, realized that I don’t require using external snapshot in this case as SnapDrive created snapshot integrates with Protection Manager dataset using SCF anyway.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;########## &lt;SPAN style="background: yellow;"&gt;Checking Protection Manager dataset mm-dfm&lt;/SPAN&gt; ##########&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:47:26,916] DEBUG: &amp;lt;dataset-modify&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;edit-lock-id&amp;gt;1392800517&amp;lt;/edit-lock-id&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;dataset-name&amp;gt;mm-dfm&amp;lt;/dataset-name&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;is-application-data&amp;gt;true&amp;lt;/is-application-data&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;application-info&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-left: 36.0pt; text-indent: 36.0pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #00b0f0;"&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;EM&gt;is-application-managing-primary-backup-retention&amp;gt;&lt;SPAN style="background: yellow;"&gt;true&lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;lt;/is-application-managing-primary-backup-retention&amp;gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;/application-info&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;&amp;lt;/dataset-modify&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;########## &lt;SPAN style="background: yellow;"&gt;Running Snapshot copy Delete on Primary&lt;/SPAN&gt; ##########&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:50:40,465] INFO: STORAGE-02013: Removing Snapshot copy [backup-daily_20140401120349] on volume [testvol]&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:50:40,465] DEBUG: &amp;lt;snapshot-delete&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;snapshot&amp;gt;backup-daily_20140401120349&amp;lt;/snapshot&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt; &amp;lt;volume&amp;gt;testvol&amp;lt;/volume&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;&amp;lt;/snapshot-delete&amp;gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:50:40,465] INFO: STORAGE-02014: Removing Snapshot copy [backup-daily_20140401120349] on volume [testvol] finished successfully.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #1f497d;"&gt;[2014-04-01 12:50:40,470] INFO: Application not defined. Skipping cleanup task&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2014 02:54:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Primary-Snapshot-Retention-when-using-External-Snapshots/m-p/22329#M798</guid>
      <dc:creator>mmodi</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-04-01T02:54:52Z</dc:date>
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