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    <title>topic Periodiac &amp;quot;orphaned&amp;quot; clones after W2K8 System State Backup in Data Protection</title>
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    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;When using Windows 2008 with SnapDrive for Windows 6.1 we are seeing an anomaly from time to &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;time. When the System State Backup job runs out of the task scheduler, VSS creates snapshots of the LUNs&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;(Fibre Channel) connected to the host (E:, F:, etc). Normally these are there until the job completes and &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;then they go &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;back away. From time to time we see where the clones do not go away, yet the job seems &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;to finish ok. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;What we are then left with is an "orphaned clone" which will sit there and lock blocks until manually &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;removed. I've not been able to find a way yet to reproduce this on demand and the manual check and remove is &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;getting old. Apparently the process uses VSS to create the snap/clone and then something is not releasing&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;every time. They have some hosts where this seems to happen frequently and others where we have&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;never seen this - all the same Windows 2008, but running various applications.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Is there a good way to monitor or trouble shoot this?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt; &lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Here is the mainline running in the batch scheduler:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt; &lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;%SystemRoot%\system32\WBADMIN START SYSTEMSTATEBACKUP -backuptarget:D: -quiet&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 07:15:21 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>mferris</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2025-06-05T07:15:21Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Periodiac "orphaned" clones after W2K8 System State Backup</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Periodiac-quot-orphaned-quot-clones-after-W2K8-System-State-Backup/m-p/21184#M9676</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;When using Windows 2008 with SnapDrive for Windows 6.1 we are seeing an anomaly from time to &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;time. When the System State Backup job runs out of the task scheduler, VSS creates snapshots of the LUNs&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;(Fibre Channel) connected to the host (E:, F:, etc). Normally these are there until the job completes and &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;then they go &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;back away. From time to time we see where the clones do not go away, yet the job seems &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;to finish ok. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;What we are then left with is an "orphaned clone" which will sit there and lock blocks until manually &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;removed. I've not been able to find a way yet to reproduce this on demand and the manual check and remove is &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;getting old. Apparently the process uses VSS to create the snap/clone and then something is not releasing&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;every time. They have some hosts where this seems to happen frequently and others where we have&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;never seen this - all the same Windows 2008, but running various applications.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Is there a good way to monitor or trouble shoot this?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt; &lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Here is the mainline running in the batch scheduler:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt; &lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;%SystemRoot%\system32\WBADMIN START SYSTEMSTATEBACKUP -backuptarget:D: -quiet&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 07:15:21 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Periodiac-quot-orphaned-quot-clones-after-W2K8-System-State-Backup/m-p/21184#M9676</guid>
      <dc:creator>mferris</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-06-05T07:15:21Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Periodiac "orphaned" clones after W2K8 System State Backup</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Periodiac-quot-orphaned-quot-clones-after-W2K8-System-State-Backup/m-p/21189#M9677</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;You cannot use wbadmin on 2008 if there are hardware vss providers installed on the system.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;havea look at the following MS KB &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;A class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/955687" target="_blank"&gt;http://support.microsoft.com/kb/955687&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 15:30:35 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Periodiac-quot-orphaned-quot-clones-after-W2K8-System-State-Backup/m-p/21189#M9677</guid>
      <dc:creator>watan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-05-14T15:30:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Periodiac "orphaned" clones after W2K8 System State Backup</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Periodiac-quot-orphaned-quot-clones-after-W2K8-System-State-Backup/m-p/21194#M9678</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Great note. Thanks for that feedback. What I found was that the condition was only a problem&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;on volumes that were almost out of space. If I made sure there was adequate freespace in the&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;volume where the LUNs are (say 5% free), then we never saw this condition. Seems to work&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;if there is space, but good to know there are other issues which need to be addressed.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 15:47:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.netapp.com/t5/Data-Protection/Periodiac-quot-orphaned-quot-clones-after-W2K8-System-State-Backup/m-p/21194#M9678</guid>
      <dc:creator>mferris</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-05-14T15:47:01Z</dc:date>
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