topic Re: SnapProtect questions in ONTAP Discussions

SnapProtect questions

peluso — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:04:32 GMT

Hi all,

You may have seen the latest announcement for our new product, SnapProtect. Please ask your questions - we have technical expertise ready to provide answers and point to useful information. I will post a few questions here as well to break the ice and open up the conversation. For more information about the product, start with our product pages. http://www.netapp.com/us/products/protection-software/snapprotect.html

Best,

Terri

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shaunjurr — Tue, 31 May 2011 21:10:57 GMT

I've tried to read the documentation and at some point I sort of drowned in the marketing bla-bla.

Basically, this is a re-branding of mostly existing functionality and some things that most of us probably wished for for many years from DFM/OM as Storage (and Backup) administrators. (I don't blame anyone... companies like EMC make tons just changing the names of things and adding some fireworks)

Why the split?

Why is NetApp making more disparate products instead of a real "single pane" management system?

We've been wishing for end-to-end data management of NetApp NAS/SAN for years, from NFS/CIFS/LUN to secondary (tertiary) mirrors and on to tape, essentially SLA monitoring. What I have seen and tried to use from DFM/OM has been a source of great frustration and a full implementation was so riddled with technical hurdles that it was simply left to decay. Where is the "single pane" for storage administration? Integration of SAN administration/monitoring? Integration with backup systems?

Will any of this integrate with DFM/OM?

What we have here is a server backup solution that involves as much NetApp equipment and software as possible. I don't want to rain on anybody's parade here, but I'd be more excited if this looked like an extension of current management tools (that could possibly sold separately) that was working towards a "single pane" (not that I like that marketing term either... ) solution.

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vmsjaak13 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 06:37:41 GMT

Is Ontap 8.x supported ?

Is indexing of NAS data in vfilers supported ?

Are metroclusters supported ?

Regards,

Niek

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peter_lehmann — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 06:42:54 GMT

If a customer has DFM/OM, is SnapProtect a "free upgrade"?

Thanks,

Peter

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mar — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 06:54:53 GMT

Niek,

Thanks for the questions.

- Currently, ONTAP 8.x is not supported with SnapProtect.

- It is not possible to do NAS indexing of a vFiler volume

- MetroCluster has not completed qualification at this time. Please refer to the Interoperability Matrix on the NetApp support site to find out what's supported today, and check back later for updates.

Ray

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vmsjaak13 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 07:32:11 GMT

Hi Ray,

Is there a roadmap available for ONTAP 8.x and MetroCluster support ?

Regards,

Niek

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radek_kubka — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:51:38 GMT

Guys,

Let's make it straight here: SnapProtect is just re-badged CommVault Simpana, it's not a secret & can make the whole story easier to digest for many people who are already familiar with this product.

http://www.netapp.com/us/company/news/news-rel-20110531-291587.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/31/netapp_oems_simpana_9/

Regards,
Radek

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peter_lehmann — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:35:18 GMT

Hi Radek

Thanks for clarifying my suspicion...

Radek Kubka schrieb:

Guys,

Let's make it straight here: SnapProtect is just re-badged CommVault Simpana, it's not a secret & can make the whole story easier to digest for many people who are already familiar with this product.

So, this would also answer my question, assuming this is not a free upgrade for DFM/OM customers.

But, yet again another Backup Strategy from NetApp... would be about time to get this topic adressed finally in the right manner...

1. Backup in DFM

2. Protection Manager is the answer...

3. now SnapProtect is the answer,,

Whats next???

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radek_kubka — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:55:11 GMT

...and don't forget about SnapCreator which is another (very interesting) topic!

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admbranjo — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:00:53 GMT

put another dollar in...

order all new systems with DFM and Protection manager.

next systems are order'd with complete Snapmanager bundle.

and now we have to pay for SnapProtect ???

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peter_lehmann — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:09:03 GMT

Just imagine... until now you had to get several SnapManagers (and SnapDrive) and Operations Manager and Protection Manager, and best of all you would still not be able to get everything integrated and connected (e.g. SMVI and SnapVault)...

In the future you just have to buy SnapProtect (or even get Simpana from Commvault) and everything is covered.

If I have a choice, I'll always choose the simple one - do you hear NetApp?

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admbranjo — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:24:20 GMT

future...nice, I have all these allready payed products, some of them working but not realy integrated.

what do i have to do with my older installations?

I think I have to buy now additional SnapProtect license

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martinrudjakobsen — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:33:01 GMT

I have given up getting our snapvault/snapmirror/snapmanager for */snapdrive to work. Even with consultants on the job, we have not managed to get a proper backup of our MS-SQL server since we had it installed in January, protection manager seemed out of focus on which functionalities it wanted to do and I fail to see how it can scale for anything larger than a few servers without having to use tons of time maintaining it and we only have arount 1000 servers(80% virtual). So we have almost already decided to use commvault. Now if I can get it officially and directly from NetApp it's even better and I can't wait to take another look at it.

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sajeev — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 14:07:34 GMT

SnapProtect is modified to use Snapvault and Snapmirror for backup and replication. I don't think non-branded Simpana can do that.

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radek_kubka — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 14:58:30 GMT

SnapProtect is modified to use Snapvault and Snapmirror for backup and replication. I don't think non-branded Simpana can do that.

It can - plus few other tricks, like NDMP & SnapMirror to Tape (SMT): http://www.commvault.com/pdf/CV_SolutionBrief_NetApp.pdf

It is a great product though, so actually I don't mind that SnapProtect is just a marketing name

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ajaywil2000 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:14:14 GMT

We currently use SMO, SMVI, and SMSQL - how is this different? Should we switch to SnapProtect?

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datacenterdude — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:51:15 GMT

Hey gang, @that1guynick here....

This is the way we see things eventually evolving. Not current, but more future, going forward...

SnapProtect will be positioned as our primary tool for backing up solutions running on VMware, Citrix, and enterprise-wide backup opportunities. This includes vCloud Director.
SnapManager for App X is our primary tools for backing up solutions running on Hyper-V and remaining physical realms. This is not to say SnapProtect cannot tackle physical as well.
SnapCreator is a technology enablement tool, like the Data Ontap PowerShell Toolkit, and will be promoted as a tool that enables one when there are no solutions.

Now, how does this affect your current DFM/OM environment? You've likely heard about OnCommand. The future of these products are on our public website, and if you're familiar with DFM/OM, you'll recognize a lot of these names and will be able to draw your own conclusions.

http://www.netapp.com/us/products/management-software/

-Nick

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ajaywil2000 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:41:58 GMT

So use SnapProtect as a replacement for SMVI or SMO when you ahve Oracle running as VM's ? Is that correct?

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datacenterdude — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:44:35 GMT

The new SnapProtect TR-3920 has been made public.

http://media.netapp.com/documents/tr-3920.pdf

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datacenterdude — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:48:51 GMT

Oracle is a hard example due to people's acceptance of running Oracle in a virtual environment, and Oracle's support stance, but yes, in general, we're hoping that SnapProtect will be the all-in-one solution that bundles everything that SMVI + SMO/E/SQL, and includes cataloguing and other integration points, such as SnapVault and SnapMirror (or both!).