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Automatic node referrals CIFS and support for Hyper-V

peldah — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:52:33 GMT

Hi,

What is correct info regarding Automatic node referrals during a Hyper-V setup over SMB?

I have found a document from netapp, published 09/09/2018: https://kb.netapp.com/app/answers/answer_view/a_id/1030128/~/how-to-set-up-svm%2Fcifs-for-hyper-v-over-smb-

Under chapter: General SVM/CIFS Server and Share Configuration Requirements, chpater 12.3

it says Automatic node referrals must be disabled for Data ONTAP versions 8.2.0 and earlier. Automatic node referrals are supported in Data ONTAP 8.2.1 and later.

I just wonder if that is correct.. that is the only information that says it is OK to use on CIFS -share to Hyper-V (If you have above 8.2.0)

All other artical says that it is not supported.
(Example "SMB/CIFS Config guide for Hyper-V/SQL, from Netapp, published feb 2019" https://library.netapp.com/ecm/ecm_get_file/ECMLP2494083 on Page 20: • Automatic node referrals must be disabled)

My problem today is that one of my nodes in my HA cluster (ontap 9.4) owns all SMB-sessions.
I do not know why the SVM-server forward all SMB traffic to one of the node.
I have two SMB LIF´s, one to each node in the cluster. The DNS (external) is setup an both LIF´s have its own IP address registered in the DNS.
When ping from my hyper-V hosts the DNS roundrobin works fine. But it does not matter, when the SVM-server keeps sending all traffic to the same node.
If I do a simple filecopy from my hyper-v server to the CIFS-share by using IP-address, then the traffic goes to the correct node.

That is why I want to use Automatic node referrals, to split the load equal over my nodes in the cluster.

Any tips?

Best regards, Pelle Dahlkild

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2650 dual node HA cluster, switchless, ontap 9.4
SMB3

3-node hyper-V cluster (Win 2016)

Re: Automatic node referrals CIFS and support for Hyper-V

RajeshPanda — Tue, 14 May 2019 05:46:33 GMT

@peldah Are you still looking for the solution? I can help you find an expert who can look into your query.

Re: Automatic node referrals CIFS and support for Hyper-V

edununes — Tue, 07 Jun 2022 15:31:38 GMT

Hi Peldah,

I'm having the same problem, did you manage to solve this case?

Re: Automatic node referrals CIFS and support for Hyper-V

Mikkar — Mon, 05 Jun 2023 10:51:53 GMT

We are also seeing this same issue. Did you solve this?

Re: Automatic node referrals CIFS and support for Hyper-V

Ontapforrum — Mon, 05 Jun 2023 12:35:28 GMT

Following TR discusses Automatic Node Referral in Hyper-V over SMB.
https://www.netapp.com/media/16334-tr-4172.pdf

3.6 Automatic Node Referral Settings: (It explains why node referrals are disabled)

The Microsoft Hyper-V host relies heavily on Kerberos authentication, which cannot be utilized with NetApp IP-based automatic node referral.
Automatic node referrals do not work if witness protocol is used. Note also that witness protocol only comes into play for continuously available shares.

Re: Automatic node referrals CIFS and support for Hyper-V

Mikkar — Wed, 07 Jun 2023 04:29:05 GMT

Already understand node referral shouldn't be used with Hyper-V and SMB but what are the solution?

SVM forward all SMB traffic to one of the node and seems almost always the "wrong" node so traffic is directed in backplane instead..