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    <title>topic Re: FAS 2020 SATA is slower than one local SATA drive in laptop in ONTAP Hardware</title>
    <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/ONTAP-Hardware/FAS-2020-SATA-is-slower-than-one-local-SATA-drive-in-laptop/m-p/24837#M1736</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;analysis of post..... done&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;possible bottlenecks in this setup...listed&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;a) filer side I/O &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;b) network side Througput&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;c) host system memory &amp;amp; cpu management&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;d) VMware host setup&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;e) VMware guest setup&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;sorting in order if likehood based on personal experience...skipped...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;begin of human interaction...&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hello!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;let us assume the netapp is the problem, i would start looking at the raid group design&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;if i had found out about netapp-sided disk i/o shortcomings.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;(one way to find out is to open a support case, and run the&amp;nbsp; 'perfstat' analysis tool over the installation)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;if you have a large raidgroup on which the aggregate, and subsequently volumes resides - then you have&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;a better disk i/o in comparision to having several small raidgroups - due to the combination of spindles and r/w heads. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is true only to a certain extend (imagine a logarytmic curve).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;However,&amp;nbsp; direct access of data (you refer to your laptops sata drive) may still be faster than any kind of access through a network&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;no matter how expensive your storage backend is.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Despite Network bandwidht limitations, you get also the protocol overhead&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;from SMB (most overhead) or NFS (least overhead).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;("&lt;EM&gt;user wants file, is he allowed to? dont ask me, ask DC.&amp;nbsp; Read, write or change?&amp;nbsp; dunno, lemme ask DC..... DC says change... check.. ok lets give him that file....&amp;nbsp; check&lt;/EM&gt;")&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The good news is, your data is protected by industry proven raid technology (unfortunately you have 0 spares, which kind of takes this feature away,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;after a disk fail your volume will be "degraded" 24hrs later in order to protect your data - it goes to read only.&amp;nbsp; Yes, its tweakable, no i wouldnt do it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;A more spohisticated answer is difficult, the beauty of a filer is many can use it at same time, and still get a decent speed.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;try having 500 users access that single laptop-sata drive &lt;SPAN __jive_emoticon_name="happy" __jive_macro_name="emoticon" class="jive_macro jive_emote" src="https://community.netapp.com/4.0.8/images/emoticons/happy.gif"&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Support case may give you certainity whether there is anything tweakable on the netapp.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you run ESX server, then there would be a number of things to verify for "best practises" as well.&amp;nbsp; But it was&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;not entirely clear what vmware software youre using.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Probably not the best Answer one can give, but i figured i cannot let your question remain&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;unanswered totally.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;best regards &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;7imo&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:39:42 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>timo</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2010-09-20T08:39:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>FAS 2020 SATA is slower than one local SATA drive in laptop</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/ONTAP-Hardware/FAS-2020-SATA-is-slower-than-one-local-SATA-drive-in-laptop/m-p/24830#M1735</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a fas 2020 filled with 15k SAS drives.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;those drives are one one controller.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I also have shelf attached with 6 SATA 7200 drives&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;which are on another controller.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;On this drives I have 2 volumes, cifs and another&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;for vmware. Agregate is Raid DP with 0 spare disks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If I run Crystal Disk Mark on virtual machine on sata drives&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I get 50 MB. Servers also seem slow, if you open a program it takes a while, sometimes&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;even if you go to start - programs - accesoris it takes 4 seconds to show items inside....&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But If I move this virtual machine to SAS drives, it's ok.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I also moved that same machine on qnap storage with 5 SATA drives and I&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;got much better result in Crystal Disk Mark - 89 MB the same virtual machine.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have expected to be on pair with qnap but not that slow.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;What can be done to improve speed of SATA aggregate?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;thanks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 07:08:16 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>gaserideal</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-06-05T07:08:16Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: FAS 2020 SATA is slower than one local SATA drive in laptop</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/ONTAP-Hardware/FAS-2020-SATA-is-slower-than-one-local-SATA-drive-in-laptop/m-p/24837#M1736</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;analysis of post..... done&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;possible bottlenecks in this setup...listed&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;a) filer side I/O &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;b) network side Througput&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;c) host system memory &amp;amp; cpu management&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;d) VMware host setup&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;e) VMware guest setup&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;sorting in order if likehood based on personal experience...skipped...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'andale mono', times;"&gt;begin of human interaction...&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hello!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;let us assume the netapp is the problem, i would start looking at the raid group design&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;if i had found out about netapp-sided disk i/o shortcomings.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;(one way to find out is to open a support case, and run the&amp;nbsp; 'perfstat' analysis tool over the installation)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;if you have a large raidgroup on which the aggregate, and subsequently volumes resides - then you have&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;a better disk i/o in comparision to having several small raidgroups - due to the combination of spindles and r/w heads. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is true only to a certain extend (imagine a logarytmic curve).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;However,&amp;nbsp; direct access of data (you refer to your laptops sata drive) may still be faster than any kind of access through a network&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;no matter how expensive your storage backend is.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Despite Network bandwidht limitations, you get also the protocol overhead&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;from SMB (most overhead) or NFS (least overhead).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;("&lt;EM&gt;user wants file, is he allowed to? dont ask me, ask DC.&amp;nbsp; Read, write or change?&amp;nbsp; dunno, lemme ask DC..... DC says change... check.. ok lets give him that file....&amp;nbsp; check&lt;/EM&gt;")&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The good news is, your data is protected by industry proven raid technology (unfortunately you have 0 spares, which kind of takes this feature away,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;after a disk fail your volume will be "degraded" 24hrs later in order to protect your data - it goes to read only.&amp;nbsp; Yes, its tweakable, no i wouldnt do it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;A more spohisticated answer is difficult, the beauty of a filer is many can use it at same time, and still get a decent speed.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;try having 500 users access that single laptop-sata drive &lt;SPAN __jive_emoticon_name="happy" __jive_macro_name="emoticon" class="jive_macro jive_emote" src="https://community.netapp.com/4.0.8/images/emoticons/happy.gif"&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Support case may give you certainity whether there is anything tweakable on the netapp.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you run ESX server, then there would be a number of things to verify for "best practises" as well.&amp;nbsp; But it was&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;not entirely clear what vmware software youre using.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Probably not the best Answer one can give, but i figured i cannot let your question remain&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;unanswered totally.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;best regards &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;7imo&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:39:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.netapp.com/t5/ONTAP-Hardware/FAS-2020-SATA-is-slower-than-one-local-SATA-drive-in-laptop/m-p/24837#M1736</guid>
      <dc:creator>timo</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-09-20T08:39:42Z</dc:date>
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