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    <title>topic Re: flash storage in AFF</title>
    <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/AFF/flash-storage/m-p/95577#M153</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi Ed,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I believe I have spoken to you in the past as I'm the SouthWest Business Solutions Architect covering the region (including Adam Teeples and Thomas Scanlon).&amp;nbsp; There is obviously a lot going on in the SSD space as far as drives go.&amp;nbsp; Currently there are SLC, eMLC and cMLC drives in the marketplace.&amp;nbsp; The SLC and eMLC (the e stands for enterprise) are best positioned for reliability. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;They have the best P/E cycles or (Program and Erase), the higher the P/E cycle the more reliable the drive is.&amp;nbsp; We have traditionally been very conservative and rolled out mainly SLC drives in 100GB sizes but have now replaced them with eMLC drives (sizes ranging from 200GB, 400GB, 800GB and 1.6TB).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is some&amp;nbsp;additional information about each drive type (SLC, cMLC and eMLC).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;SSD FLASH Technologies&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;SLC - Single-level Cell&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Enterprise-class media&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Each flash cell represents one binary bit of information&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Nominal rated life: ~ 100,000 erase cycles&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;MLC - Multi-Level Cell&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Consumer-class media&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Each flash cell represents two bits of information &lt;EM&gt;(for improved cost per GB)&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Nominal rated life: ~ 3,000 erase cycles&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;eMLC - Enterprise Multi-Level Cell&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Term to describe devices that use advanced techniques to achieve longer device life from MLC&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Nominal rated life: ~ 30,000 erase cycles&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;You can see that the rated life of the SLC and eMLC are&amp;nbsp;superior to the cMLC drives.&amp;nbsp; The way WAFL writes is actually quite a complement to SSD drives allowing us to use the eMLC drives without compromising reliability or data protection.&amp;nbsp; This lowers the cost of the drive and extends the value to our customers without risk.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;We also&amp;nbsp;warranty the drives for 5 years ... same as we do for traditional HDDs.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is more on the similarities of WAFL to SSD drives:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Neither writes new data in the same location as old data (no write-in-place updates)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Both have to deal with garbage collection (delayed free process in WAFL)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;For WAFL ‒ 1% per volume or entire aggregate&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;For WAFL ‒ 2% delayed free priority increases&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Both have a staging area and write asynchronously (NVLOG and FTL)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Both have a physical-to-logical mapping – logical organization differs from physical layout; that can result in spatial locality issues (aging)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Both hole punch&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;As far as the roadmap goes I can't commit to anything but there are lots of future technologies we are looking at such as TLC (Triple level Cell) .&amp;nbsp; This is a type of solid-state NAND flash memory that stores three bits per cell of flash memory.&amp;nbsp; It posses a new set of challenges as it's downfall is less performance, reliability, and longevity.&amp;nbsp; This is where some of the NetApp magic comes into play.&amp;nbsp; We currently hold 200+ patents in the flash space and we are always striving to get more out of Flash.&amp;nbsp; If you setup an NDA session with your sales rep we can talk more about this in detail.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I hope this summary has given you some insight into the SSD space and a little glimpse into the future.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Please don't hesitate to reach out to Thomas or Adam and set up an NDA session to&amp;nbsp;discuss this topic in further detail.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Ralph&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2014 18:36:03 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>agiledataguy</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2014-10-31T18:36:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>flash storage</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/AFF/flash-storage/m-p/94859#M100</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;As spindle hard drives have continued to change and advance over the years, what can Netapp tell us about the roadmap for the flash drive technology?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 05:26:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.netapp.com/t5/AFF/flash-storage/m-p/94859#M100</guid>
      <dc:creator>epcrapps</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-06-05T05:26:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: flash storage</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/AFF/flash-storage/m-p/95395#M149</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;NetApp has flash experts in every region of the US -- Ask your NetApp SE to engage a BSA (Business Solutions Architect) for an NDA / roadmap briefing.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hope this helps,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;J&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2014 01:46:55 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.netapp.com/t5/AFF/flash-storage/m-p/95395#M149</guid>
      <dc:creator>jodey</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-10-31T01:46:55Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: flash storage</title>
      <link>https://community.netapp.com/t5/AFF/flash-storage/m-p/95577#M153</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi Ed,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I believe I have spoken to you in the past as I'm the SouthWest Business Solutions Architect covering the region (including Adam Teeples and Thomas Scanlon).&amp;nbsp; There is obviously a lot going on in the SSD space as far as drives go.&amp;nbsp; Currently there are SLC, eMLC and cMLC drives in the marketplace.&amp;nbsp; The SLC and eMLC (the e stands for enterprise) are best positioned for reliability. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;They have the best P/E cycles or (Program and Erase), the higher the P/E cycle the more reliable the drive is.&amp;nbsp; We have traditionally been very conservative and rolled out mainly SLC drives in 100GB sizes but have now replaced them with eMLC drives (sizes ranging from 200GB, 400GB, 800GB and 1.6TB).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is some&amp;nbsp;additional information about each drive type (SLC, cMLC and eMLC).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;SSD FLASH Technologies&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;SLC - Single-level Cell&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Enterprise-class media&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Each flash cell represents one binary bit of information&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Nominal rated life: ~ 100,000 erase cycles&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;MLC - Multi-Level Cell&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Consumer-class media&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Each flash cell represents two bits of information &lt;EM&gt;(for improved cost per GB)&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Nominal rated life: ~ 3,000 erase cycles&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;eMLC - Enterprise Multi-Level Cell&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Term to describe devices that use advanced techniques to achieve longer device life from MLC&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Nominal rated life: ~ 30,000 erase cycles&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;You can see that the rated life of the SLC and eMLC are&amp;nbsp;superior to the cMLC drives.&amp;nbsp; The way WAFL writes is actually quite a complement to SSD drives allowing us to use the eMLC drives without compromising reliability or data protection.&amp;nbsp; This lowers the cost of the drive and extends the value to our customers without risk.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;We also&amp;nbsp;warranty the drives for 5 years ... same as we do for traditional HDDs.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is more on the similarities of WAFL to SSD drives:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Neither writes new data in the same location as old data (no write-in-place updates)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Both have to deal with garbage collection (delayed free process in WAFL)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;For WAFL ‒ 1% per volume or entire aggregate&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;For WAFL ‒ 2% delayed free priority increases&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Both have a staging area and write asynchronously (NVLOG and FTL)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Both have a physical-to-logical mapping – logical organization differs from physical layout; that can result in spatial locality issues (aging)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Both hole punch&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;As far as the roadmap goes I can't commit to anything but there are lots of future technologies we are looking at such as TLC (Triple level Cell) .&amp;nbsp; This is a type of solid-state NAND flash memory that stores three bits per cell of flash memory.&amp;nbsp; It posses a new set of challenges as it's downfall is less performance, reliability, and longevity.&amp;nbsp; This is where some of the NetApp magic comes into play.&amp;nbsp; We currently hold 200+ patents in the flash space and we are always striving to get more out of Flash.&amp;nbsp; If you setup an NDA session with your sales rep we can talk more about this in detail.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I hope this summary has given you some insight into the SSD space and a little glimpse into the future.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Please don't hesitate to reach out to Thomas or Adam and set up an NDA session to&amp;nbsp;discuss this topic in further detail.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Ralph&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2014 18:36:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.netapp.com/t5/AFF/flash-storage/m-p/95577#M153</guid>
      <dc:creator>agiledataguy</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-10-31T18:36:03Z</dc:date>
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