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SMMOSS - SnapManager for SharePoint and the content in the snapinfo directory

abuchmann
‎2009-02-13 01:49 AM
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Hi Guys

We've got something "strange" here.

As there's a new sharepoint application where the users are producing a lot of data (they're scanning about three gigs of documents every day into the db), the snapinfo directory is growing endlessly.

We keep daily snapshots for 60 days, so we also got about three gigs of transaction log backups (*.trb files) in the snapinfo directory for each day.

The database uses 40gb (+ca 12gb in snapshots), it's logs 3gb (+ca. 85gb in the snapshots), and the snapinfo directory 90gb (+ ca. 30GB in the snapshots). This database is productive since 30 days, so we have to expect that the used space in the snapinfo + the snapshots will double until the first snapshots is beeing deleted. Is this a normal behavour? I there something we can optimize? ~220GB to backup a 40GB database is quite unefficient for snapshot-technology, or am I wrong?

We're using

- FAS6030@7.2.5.1P1

- SMSQL 2.11

- SMMOSS 1.1

- MOSS 2007

Thanks in advance!

Kind Regards,

Adrian

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sourav
NetApp Alumni
‎2009-02-13 04:06 AM
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Hi Adrian,

SnapInfo folder of SMSQL stores the TRB files as you've noted. In your case since the TRB files are large and the change rate is large, the SnapShots of the SnapInfo folder are consequently consuming a fair amount of space. This is expected behavior since snapshot size is directly proportional to change rate and in your case you are pretty much adding new contents to the TLOG file everyday. In your case what I suggest is that you keep only one nightly backup of the Content DB (taken via SMMOSS) and delete older backups untill such time that the document upload phase is completed. After that you can fall back to the 60-day retention period you have since at that point the change rate would be much lower. I would love to have a further look at your environment and suggest more strategies for space optimization.

Thanks & Regards,

Sourav Chakraborty

Technical Marketing Engineer (SMSQL , SMMOSS)

Contact: +91 80 4184 3482   

Cell: +91 9739090394  

Email: sourav.chakraborty@netapp.com

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abuchmann
‎2009-02-13 07:49 AM
In response to sourav
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Hi Sourav

Thank you for the response. You gave me some useful information for our future planing...

First of all, that's just one sharepoint project, sadly our executive board is planning to migrate much more to sharepoint. It's hard to say how much data we're talking about, because we're centralising a lot of systems at the moment. Some people here talk about 40tb at the end. I'm not sure I they know what that means for storage and backup.

Back to the space used in snapinfo. Limiting the backup to a nightly snapshot isn't a solution for us, as the scanning process won't stop in the next years and we have to guarantee restores up to two months.

As far as I know, transaction log backups are needed for up-to-the-minute restores, but not for the restore with the smmoss-gui. It's important for us to have the ability to restore up-to-the minute (pe. on lun errors, etc) but we don't need it as long as the ability to restore single items with the smmoss-gui.

Is there a way to configure some smmoss backups without the up-to-the-minute option?

Kind regards,

Adrian

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sourav
NetApp Alumni
‎2009-02-16 04:13 AM
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Hi Adrian,

Unfortunately, there is no way to configure smmoss backups without the up-to-the-minute option. The up-to-the-minute option is inbuilt into the command that is sent to SMSQL. However, if you are using SMMOSS 2.0, you could look at archiving older backups and thus keeping, fewer online backups.

Regards,

Sourav.

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abuchmann
‎2009-02-16 04:58 AM
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Hi Sourav

Thank you for the clarification.

What happens if you delete the transaction-log manually?

We're upgrading to 2.0 soon. But as far as I know, there's no way to make a single-item recovery from an archived snapshot, or am I wrong?

Kind regards,

Adrian

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sourav
NetApp Alumni
‎2009-02-16 10:34 PM
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Hi Adrian,

If you delete the TLOGs then SMMOSS restore will fail because the restore operation will expect the TLOG backup to be present.

SMMOSS 2.0 can restore at the item-level from archived backups (snapshots) too. Please refer the "Restore from alternate storage location" section on Pg. 92 of the SMMOSS 2.0 Installation and Administration Guide.

Regards,

Sourav.



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abuchmann
‎2009-03-03 03:08 AM
In response to sourav
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Hi Sourav

Thank you for the information.

As a result of your post we recently upgraded to SMMOSS 2.0.

But since then, we've got a problem that the snap manager generates a huge local index on the sql-server. Each job geneartes it's own directory in the VaultClient\jobs-Directory on the server and writes about 130mb of data. This behaviour is strange as I have configured a cifs-share for this on "Device Manager" in the snapmanager web interface.

What am I doing wrong?

Here you see the content of the directories, all generated by the same job:

On the configured cifs share (size:213M) :

    job.properties
    head.idx
    data0.dat
    f30fb923-0da0-41cc-948b-943c08d35805.idx
    f30fb923-0da0-41cc-948b-943c08d35805_head.idx
    f30fb923-0da0-41cc-948b-943c08d35805_body.idx
    da3393bb-ff87-4a40-babd-a617bd821936.idx
    da3393bb-ff87-4a40-babd-a617bd821936_head.idx
    da3393bb-ff87-4a40-babd-a617bd821936_body.idx
    222c651c-b263-4cec-abf0-7b5593f34917.idx
    222c651c-b263-4cec-abf0-7b5593f34917_head.idx
    222c651c-b263-4cec-abf0-7b5593f34917_body.idx
    0b1808ea-23ea-4511-9238-552cefe7826c.idx
    ac0a3f79-87ce-4916-883b-04d62978a80c.idx
    3f489323-08fb-4bbc-8703-a8e39af5a5e0.idx
    a7e807b3-2eb0-4fa0-8026-451a8123c83d.idx
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    cf220e20-b9a4-4bd2-a74b-4f65f53ccf9d.idx
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    0da99259-e5f6-4897-97dd-1c163cfefed5.idx
    98891c1f-1ae8-41aa-8bb9-671f55871a9b.idx
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    0d14a51c-1401-4163-9e67-93e7139efc5c.idx
    32e162f1-f10e-42c3-9d20-709d7ea50804.idx
    45387d85-68d0-4b53-bc9d-c005aefac467.idx
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    d561e055-175a-41f9-844e-bbda85a2d50c.idx
    3da5003d-53db-427f-84e9-805aad57488e.idx
    2a9bfab0-1479-4eb3-bb14-6ca21e3c4a54.idx
    6051afd8-62dd-4def-8acd-1a7ca45bfbe4.idx
    23e8a910-2f62-4f08-ac29-ddfa1460cc57.idx
    edf8c8fe-dc9f-4ee3-a055-fd003cc72e74.idx
    364861bd-e3e1-4103-bdf4-5e5dbe60fd2f.idx
    7cfb2bb6-391c-42c0-9057-4556417b10d6.idx
    dcc34714-79a5-49b1-b1cd-3b2ec0d5143a.idx
    91412710-4ff5-4608-9f37-eb21cfb5efce.idx
    87984628-162d-4548-835b-74dc766e217a.idx
    6270a11e-7865-4205-80be-2ac78dc225ef.idx
    catalog.idx
    data1.dat
    data2.dat
    0b1808ea-23ea-4511-9238-552cefe7826c_head.idx
    0b1808ea-23ea-4511-9238-552cefe7826c_body.idx
    ac0a3f79-87ce-4916-883b-04d62978a80c_head.idx
    ac0a3f79-87ce-4916-883b-04d62978a80c_body.idx
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    a7e807b3-2eb0-4fa0-8026-451a8123c83d_body.idx
    search.xml
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    0e9db743-824b-4c2d-a9d5-d1d224c4afbf_body.idx
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    130d3fe3-171c-44f5-abd2-1c5895642bd3_body.idx
    8c588da1-32f5-49e1-b91e-f216bd4913e8_head.idx
    8c588da1-32f5-49e1-b91e-f216bd4913e8_body.idx
    3a31c9fc-56cd-463d-9c4a-eb4a46bf6bd8_head.idx
    3a31c9fc-56cd-463d-9c4a-eb4a46bf6bd8_body.idx
    f2850f2a-b2d0-4a4b-ae94-48e10da06d8b_head.idx
    f2850f2a-b2d0-4a4b-ae94-48e10da06d8b_body.idx
    650fad24-4b24-460b-a458-ffc0b8c2c659_head.idx
    650fad24-4b24-460b-a458-ffc0b8c2c659_body.idx
    3ef72e11-d889-40cd-ac0a-e84e7dba0fb0_head.idx
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    c5f86565-5aaa-4af4-89fd-7bf789a48c4f_head.idx
    c5f86565-5aaa-4af4-89fd-7bf789a48c4f_body.idx
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    9dfea6e3-7bae-499b-ae66-a234f73b34f1_body.idx
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    1fa15c58-6a19-42f5-958c-7441870e312a_head.idx
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    b6b1f554-66dd-4a33-a69c-102d6d18a3fd_body.idx
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    cf220e20-b9a4-4bd2-a74b-4f65f53ccf9d_body.idx
    bc4a4d0a-47a1-431a-9893-9a5b112b24a9_head.idx
    bc4a4d0a-47a1-431a-9893-9a5b112b24a9_body.idx
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    51405df1-d35d-4f1d-8369-07b31da6e4c7_body.idx
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    2a9bfab0-1479-4eb3-bb14-6ca21e3c4a54_body.idx
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    6051afd8-62dd-4def-8acd-1a7ca45bfbe4_body.idx
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    364861bd-e3e1-4103-bdf4-5e5dbe60fd2f_body.idx
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    87984628-162d-4548-835b-74dc766e217a_body.idx
    6270a11e-7865-4205-80be-2ac78dc225ef_head.idx
    6270a11e-7865-4205-80be-2ac78dc225ef_body.idx

On the SharePoint-Frontend Server,where the job is configured(size: 1.6M):

|   jobinfo.xml
|   JobPid.txt
|
+---Control
|   |   AfterBackup_BackupCatalog.xml
|   |   AfterUpdate_BackupCatalog.xml
|   |   backup.xml
|   |   BeforeUpdate_BackupCatalog.xml
|   |   CurrentFarm_BackupCatalog.xml
|   |   Last_BackupCatalog.xml
|   |   report_FB20090302060101.txt
|   |
|   \---CLIReports
|           02-03-2009_06.03.59_sps-v001_export-config.txt
|           02-03-2009_06.07.45_sps-v001_new-backup.txt
|           02-03-2009_06.20.00_sps-v001_clone-backup.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.12.52_sps-v001_delete-clone.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.20.17_sps-v001_clone-backup.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.26.42_sps-v001_delete-clone.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.28.56_spi-v002_disk list.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.28.57_spi-v002_snap create snapshot.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.29.02_spi-v002_snap create snapshot.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.29.06_spw-v002_disk list.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.29.07_spw-v002_snap create snapshot.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.29.16_spw-v001_disk list.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.29.17_spw-v001_snap create snapshot.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.29.27_spw-v003_disk list.txt
|           02-03-2009_08.29.28_spw-v003_snap create snapshot.txt
|
\---Index
    |   backupIndex.xml
    |   JobPid.txt
    |
    \---reports
            02-03-2009_08.29.16_disk list.txt.log
            02-03-2009_08.29.17_snap create snapshot.txt.log

On the SharePoint-SQL-Server in %programfiles%\NetApp\SnapManager for SharePoint Server\VaultClient\jobs\ (size: 127M)

\---DB
    |   0978c85e-e317-4f39-a4ba-576799466037
    |   0b1808ea-23ea-4511-9238-552cefe7826c
    |   0d14a51c-1401-4163-9e67-93e7139efc5c
    |   0da99259-e5f6-4897-97dd-1c163cfefed5
    |   0e9db743-824b-4c2d-a9d5-d1d224c4afbf
    |   130d3fe3-171c-44f5-abd2-1c5895642bd3
    |   1fa15c58-6a19-42f5-958c-7441870e312a
    |   222c651c-b263-4cec-abf0-7b5593f34917
    |   23e8a910-2f62-4f08-ac29-ddfa1460cc57
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    \---reports
            02-03-2009_06.03.59_export-config.txt.log
            02-03-2009_06.07.45_new-backup.txt.log
            02-03-2009_06.20.00_clone-backup.txt.log
            02-03-2009_08.12.52_delete-clone.txt.log
            02-03-2009_08.20.17_clone-backup.txt.log
            02-03-2009_08.26.42_delete-clone.txt.log

We need to get rid of the data stored on the sharepoint-sql-server as this server is a thin provisioned, with snapshots backuped vm, where the huge overwrite rate generates large snapshots. A full system drive does not encourage the stability of the virtual machine.

Thanks in advance!

Kind regards,

Adrian

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