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FAS luns marked as flash in vsphere + 9.7

SuperTeam

Hey,

ever since I upgraded my cluster to ontap 9.7 (currently 9.7P4), all luns allocated to vmware esxi hosts (all versions) appear as flash disks in vsphere even though the controllers are “regular” FAS with no ssds at all.

anyone familiar with that?

thanks!

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Re: FAS luns marked as flash in vsphere + 9.7

Ontapforrum

Hi,

 

I don't have ONTAP 9.7 in production so can't really verify for you but in VMWare ESXi/vSphere you can mark  a "disk" or "LUN" as "FlASH", indicating that the disk is an SSD (SSD/flash storage backed). However, as I am reading about it more, it says that if you mark Spinning Disk as 'Flash' it can seriously deteriorate datastore performance, so you have to be cautious.

 

Has anyone (In your team) marked them as 'flash' accidentally ?
https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/6.0/com.vmware.vsphere.storage.doc/GUID-99BB81AC-5342-45E5-BF67-8D43647FAD31.html

 

While you confirm the ESXi settings from your side, could you give this output:

Please enter the name of the aggregate below that is hosting the 'LUN' on your FAS Box.
::> aggr show -aggregate <aggr_name> -fields storage-type

 

Also,
::>  version
::> system show

 

Thanks!

Re: FAS luns marked as flash in vsphere + 9.7

SuperTeam

Hey,

No one marked the disk as flash for sure, I allocated the lun.

version is 9.7P4

storage-type is hdd

model is FAS2650

just for comparison I allocated another lun from a different cluster with FAS9000 running ontap 9.6P6 and the drive type is hdd

 

weird

Re: FAS luns marked as flash in vsphere + 9.7

Ontapforrum

Truly Very Interesting!!

9.7P4 is just released two days back "29-May-2020", so I wonder how many customers have upgraded to this version. Let's see if someone on this version can verify this for you. It may well be a 'bug' (Internal) ? No harm in raising a ticket with NetApp just to get this clarified.

 

Curious - If you provision another test LUN to ESXi from 9.7P4, does that also appear as 'SSD' ? Just to rule out any human errors on VMware settings side.

Re: FAS luns marked as flash in vsphere + 9.7

SuperTeam

It happens with every version since 9.7, doesn't matter which P.

And yes, all luns are viewed as "Flash" 😕

Re: FAS luns marked as flash in vsphere + 9.7

konnerth

Hi,

 

Yes, the VPD page reporting for block devices changed in ONTAP 9.7 to report as non-rotating (solid state).

 

When I investigated this for a customer in 2018, I found the performance issues were relevant to local host disks, not array disks.  With ONTAP, the use of memory and caching mask the rotational characteristics of underlying disks, therefore Engineering made this change for all LUNs regardless of the physical disks used.

 

---Karl

Re: FAS luns marked as flash in vsphere + 9.7

Ontapforrum

@konnerth : Thanks for sharing & confirming this information. Much appreciated.  I think it makes sense,  ONTAP is anyway 'write optimized' and along with flash it actually masks the underline disks ' performance (Even though one could argue that there is a 'significant' difference in latency to the 'End Application' when we compare  all_flash SSD vs  cached HDD aggr). 

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